[queenofdeath]

so then what is the vail of mary and the bible....evidence!!!!

[Forgone Conclusion]

I really hope that comment was sarcastic

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I mean what people see as tarot card readings, premonitions, scrying, all that is a form of magick. Even ouiji boards.

And tbh, if all you have to back up this idea is ouiji boards, then you, my dear, don't have two legs to stand on

[sexual_harassment_panda]

I'm sorry, but I actually can't tell if you are taking the piss or not because some of the things you are coming up with are just obscenely ridiculous....

*The Bible* oh yes fantastic evidence...even the church accepts that its not to be taken literally...

[Gabriel Synthesis]

wow this is getting pretty heated,

i'm afraid ouiji boards do not work by magic but by unconcious muscle movements caused as a result of strong wishful thinking

i don't know much about premonitions but it's a lot like cold statements which people use when they use when pretending to contact the dead, they say something general like "he says he will dance with you again" and the person they are talking to will rationalize it and bring up a scenario where it might fit and subsequently claim that it must have been there loved one talking from beyond the grave - i feel like premonitions are like this as people have visions which they do not understand and when something unexpected happens will rationalize there dream to fit the events and then call it a premonition.

as for tarot cards and scrying, well they're very very unreliable, it's all based on coincidence and vague meanings which can be twisted (again to fit events)

but all this is from a cynic's point of view, they're just what i feel and if you believe you brother was helped by a healing spell then in all honesty it's good

however if it hadn't worked would you no longer believe in magick or would you just blame yourself that you got the spell wrong?

[Eh! Steve]

sexual_harassment_panda, on Apr 18 2005, 10:10 PM, said:

I'm sorry, but I actually can't tell if you are taking the piss or not because some of the things you are coming up with are just obscenely ridiculous....

*The Bible* oh yes fantastic evidence...even the church accepts that its not to be taken literally...

What exactly are you arguing - you were talking about proof of religion and surely the bible is proof of religion because a religion is based around it. It may or may not be proof of God depending on your viewpoint, but it's definitely proof that religion exists...

</grammar pedantry>

[sexual_harassment_panda]

lol, pedantry indeed

[Lord Love Rocket]

This is wank. Lets be honest if you had a social life with real friends then you would't need to talk about all this shite would you. Sort your life out.

Also is it just me or has the time for organised religion past. All they seem to cause is hate at the end of the day. I believe in a form of God and afterlife but why should i have to go to a church which is man made to worship him? Surely I can do that anywhere? I can never forgive them for robbing a load of cash of poor ignorant people.

An arguement for it is that it teaches moral standards and the like, but i can't believe this. As a decent person i know it is wrong to steal and murder people and stuff like that I haven't learnt it its mainly instinct.

[queenofdeath]

The only time I meet with a "church like thing" is on holidays when my coven meets. My religion does not promote hate, our saying that we live by is "an you harm none, do as you will"

[Forgone Conclusion]

I pretty much agree with LLR here. A lot of major religions (mainly musilm and christianity) are probably doing alot more harm than they should be.

[Gabriel Synthesis]

i have to say i'm slightly doubtful about church of england which everybody knows was created just so a man could have a second wife

that doesn't rly seem like a good grounding for a religion

having said that i do still believe in a God type being and an afterlife

(i don't believe in majick, sorry)

[Lord Love Rocket]

Thats because majick is bollocks.

Yeah i think there is a God and afterlife thing too. Dunno what though.

Although that was the founding for the church of England it is in fact very similar to other types of Christianity so you can't really write it off for that reason.

[Fender.chiq]

This is quite an interesting thread. Everyone has different interpretations of religions, so I do think it's extremely unfair to critisise others' beliefs. It's nearly all based upon personal opinions. Me, myself, am an atheist. I don't believe that a being such as God can be real. It's because I am rather philisophical and logical. I feel the need to know everything (theory wise) when I get into something and I need to understand it fully. Religion isn't that way. You have to make up your own interpretations of what things mean and why things happened.

As for everyone else who has posted on this thread about their beliefs, well, I'm glad you have your own ideas and interpretations. Believeing in something is a thing no one can take from you.

I do believe in spiritual beings though. I believe that when you die, there's something else, whether it being coming back to Earth as an invisible enegry source, or going somewhere else (namely heaven). I don't know. But I do think there is more to life than it just ending wehn you die.

About wiccan.. It's an interesting religion to follow. Believeing in the helping and doing good, instead of believeing and helping yourself and family. Magick is .. a debatable topic, as I have seen from previous posts in the thread. I'm not sure what to make of it personally. I haven't had enough experince in that area to pass my judgement yet.

This post has been edited by Fender.chiq: 03 May 2005 - 03:57 PM