[Echoes]

I'm no fan of animal rights protesters. Fair game to all the vegetarians and vegans out there - it's a cute habit which doesn't harm anyone but yourself. But as for the fucking idiots outside my uni's biology labs, or the terrorists that burnt down 24 x 8-man rowing boats just because they belong to a college of a uni who's postgraduate lifesaving research labs were building a new animal testing centre - what the fuck!!


Anyways, one of the things I often hear from these people is about 'the painful ways in which the animals die'. This thread I guess kinda ties in with Hunter S. Thompson's farewell note ("suicide note") which ends 'relax, this won't hurt'. If the only thing that you do after experiencing the pain caused by dying is to die - does it really matter if it hurt or not? Since it has no effect?

I say no. It matters if it's gonna make my steak less tasty (we're talking about cow steak here, not Hunter S. Thompson steak), sure; but should we care whether the cow (or Hunter S. Thompson - or even a loved one ) experienced pain the instant before dying?

[Droogie]

i also hate animal rights protestors. i dont see anything wrong with experimenting on animals. yeah maybe its not very nice for the animals but thats their fault for being at the bottom of the food chain. if experimenting on animals is going to help develop cures for human diseases, i'm all for it. someone's gotta die, its better them than us.

i remember once on the news i saw some protestors protesting by putting themselves in large vacuum packs, like you see chickens in supermarkets. i couldnt stop laughing. if i was a scientist at that lab, i would have used those people to experiment on. they were practically offering themselves on a plate.

people protesting against human embryo research also pisses me off, and it pisses me off that scientists arent allowed to do certain things with embryos for 'ethical reasons'. these are the scientists that are going to save lives with cures for currently incurable diseases. which life is more important, that of a small unconscious embro or those of millions of people around the world dying in pain? which is the real 'ethical' choice here? i'm not for cloning humans for the sake of it but this is another matter.

[Droogie]

oh yeah, i also hate vegetarians. animals and humans have been eating meat for millions of years, why is it suddenly 'unethical' to kill animals? you dont see foxes not eating rabbits because "its unethical, as the rabbit suffers blah blah". in the animal kingdom, those who dont eat meat are those that get eaten. i suggest we eat them. invite all vegetarians to a special vegetarian dinner.. except its not a dinner for them, its a dinner for us. it'll be a "vegetarian dinner" that has meat in it.

[Droogie]

that said, i didnt really understand your thing about pain and effect and stuff. i'm for eating meat but im not for gratuitous violence so i do think that an attempt should be made to minimise the pain when killing these animals to eat them.

[Craobh_Rua]

Eh Tommy, on Sep 16 2005, 06:53 AM, said:

oh yeah, i also hate vegetarians. animals and humans have been eating meat for millions of years, why is it suddenly 'unethical' to kill animals? you dont see foxes not eating rabbits because "its unethical, as the rabbit suffers blah blah". in the animal kingdom, those who dont eat meat are those that get eaten. i suggest we eat them. invite all vegetarians to a special vegetarian dinner.. except its not a dinner for them, its a dinner for us. it'll be a "vegetarian dinner" that has meat in it.

Totally agree.

[Forgone Conclusion]

I don't like vegetarians, and i mean that in the way that if someone were described to me as a vegetarian, and i knew nothing else about them, then i'd be inclined to dislike them.

However, more than vegetarians, i hate people who are vegetarians due to cruelty to animals, but still eay battery eggs

Even MORE than that i hate people who are vegetarians, but still it fish, or whatever. It's the stupidest thing i've ever heard. Why don't they include fish?!?!?!?! How is a fish any less an animal than a turkey? Those are the worst type of vegetarian, and they are unforuantely quite common

I'm also against animal rights protestors (to an extent at least). OK, fair enough, unnecessary cruelty i agree with, but would they rather have one or two rabbits suffer, or wait until the make-up/drug is released onto the market and a load of people suffer?

[Gabriel Synthesis]

actually the worst vegetarians are the ones who eat chicken

[Helen SD]

i also hate veggies who eat fish... at least a cow was born to be eaten, the fish was just plucked out the sea along with a few dolphins and turtles.

i dont agree with cosmetic testing, but i do for scientific research. Luckily the labs i work in dont do any, so we dont have to put up with it! unless you count e-coli as an animal

[Automatic Man]

I used to be a vegetarian, but watched a programme that said something like 80% of green peace people are also vegetarians. So i quit.