[Echoes]

Snap poll: do you own music you didn't produce or buy?

I think pretty much everyone here does; even those that don't download music have borrowed and then copied/taped CD's off their mates.

What impact do you think music piracy has had on the artists you love?

Is the alternative to piracy (paying for the music you listen for) really out of your budget?

[sexual_harassment_panda]

I don't think I know anyone who hasn't got some illegal music on their computer...

[Forgone Conclusion]

Yes it is actually out of my budget, not that i get music ilegally... ¬_¬

[Gabriel Synthesis]

i use downloading as a kind of trial to see if i like bands enough to go out and buy their albums, and i don't feel that i should have to pay for it

also i've downloaded some songs and as a result ended up seeing the band live so i don't think that the act is wholley evil

[Forgone Conclusion]

If there's a band i REALLY like, then I'll buy the cd definately, if i can find some money. However, were it just a random song, or a band i'm slightly into, i WOULDN'T () download it

[Echoes]

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Yes it is actually out of my budget

at 79p per song (or whatever it is)?

[Forgone Conclusion]

mainly as i want more than just one (or two songs). Also, I was actually referring to cds when i said that, but same rules apply

Also, does sending a friend a song over MSN count in the whole illegaly thing? Even if they got it off a cd?

This post has been edited by Forgone Conclusion: 16 April 2005 - 01:39 PM

[Echoes]

yep

[Droogie]

of course sending songs over msn counts. whats the difference between that and downloading off someone else with a p2p program?

i used to download loads of music illegally, ive even downloaded entire discographies of bands in the past, including iron maiden, symphony x, iced earth, bodom, sonata arctica etc etc

after a while i realised that the pleasure buying a cd, getting home then hearing it on my stereo while reading the lyric book was so much more than that of hearing a downloaded track on the computer. it also feels much better to own the cd with the artwork, lyrics etc. ive since stopped downloading, an bought all good albums i had downloaded in the past. its not like im doing it for morals/principles or whatever, i just like owning these albums.

but i do download single tracks occasionally to check out artists/albums, although i more often just look at reviews in order to decide what cds to buy.

also i'll download an album if theres no way for me to buy it. for example john petrucci's solo album is only available in the US, from his website, i could get it shipped but firstly that wud cost a lot and secondly i dont have a credit card that they accept. but i'll definitely buy it if it comes out in the UK. this also applies for bootlegs that arent on sale to the general public.

[Gabriel Synthesis]

"Dear Q, i've been doing some maths and i reckon if i was to download your Ultimate Music Collection on iTunes it would cost me £1732.28....Rob Jones, Brighton"

i think that says something

[Forgone Conclusion]

That's the problem with buying off i-tunes or whatever, you don't realise how much you are spending until it's too later.

I would also like to point out that while record c ompanies have been whingeing about loss of sales etc, over the past couple of years they have been higher than ever before

[sexual_harassment_panda]

Forgone Conclusion, on Apr 17 2005, 01:40 PM, said:

I would also like to point out that while record c ompanies have been whingeing about loss of sales etc, over the past couple of years they have been higher than ever before

Are you sure? I find that pretty hard to believe.

[Forgone Conclusion]

yeah it's true

[Droogie]

Forgone Conclusion, on Apr 17 2005, 04:05 PM, said:

yeah it's true

convincing argument.

[sexual_harassment_panda]

quite...

[Adamski]

I think you're confusing like for like sales with overall profits. Sales on CDs are well down, but overall profits I think are up due largely to increased money from gigs and merchandising, and to a lesser extenet download services like iTunes shop.

Cue for someone with too much time on their hands to research the figures?

Ahem, that'd be me in a week's time.

[Gabriel Synthesis]

well i believe him

[Echoes]

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the UK singles market has been in decline for the past 5 years, with sales hit hard both by illegal downloading and the increasing popularity of albums (up 21% over the same period).

from the BPI; dunno about worldwide.

So I'd guess profits are down - £3.50 for a single, £12 for an entire album; but album sales have risen 21% in five years


my interpretation - you hear a single on the radio, instead of buying it, we now download it. singles sales down. But you get into the artist, download a few more songs, decide to buy the album. Album sales get a massive boost.

Singles sales will rise again with the download phenomenon, as soon as the industry can get more women on the internet to join men in the (legal) downloading phenomenon:

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> while a majority of singles buyers are female, an overwhelming 96% of download spend is by male buyers.

[Forgone Conclusion]

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  I think you're confusing like for like sales with overall profits. Sales on CDs are well down, but overall profits I think are up due largely to increased money from gigs and merchandising, and to a lesser extenet download services like iTunes shop.

You are correct. I was including internet music sales in that comment. CD sales have been down, but the internet has by far made up for it, with plenty of middle-aged men buying all the songs they had on records when they were wee, which conveniently explains the 96% men thing

[The Phlegmy One!111]

Maybe women just like to have manly screen names on the net.

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