[where_i'm_calling_from]

okay here's a short extract from the passage i'm analysing:

Consider the case in which you make a moral judgment immediately and without conscious reasoning, say, that children are wrong to set a cat on fire. In order to explain your making this judgment it would be reasonable perhaps, to assume that the children really are pouring gasoline on a cat and you are seeing them doing it. But there is no obvious reason to assume anything about 'moral facts' such as that it really is wrong to set a cat on fire. Indeed an assumption about moral facts would seem to be totally irrelevant to the explanation of your making the judgment you make. It would seem that all we need to assume is that you have certain more or less well-articulated moral principles that are reflected in judgments you make, based upon your moral sensibility. It seems completely irrelevant to our explanation whether your immediate judgment is true or false.

okay, here's the question: to what is it totally irrelevant "whether your judgment is true or false"?

[Forgone Conclusion]

....



....

[Echoes]

Quote

okay, here's the question: to what is it totally irrelevant "whether your judgment is true or false"?

answer: me

[Forgone Conclusion]

oh... i get the question now, and Bradley you're not an answer to it, you egotistical fiend

Maybe you could make a point about the media - it often seems irrelevant to them whether or not their judgement about x, y or z is true or false, as long as it sells newspapers

Similarly, if a judgement is made for a 'greater good'. It doesn't matter if it's right or not as it will benefit those people on long run (can't thinkof a decent example in this case)

I dunno if those actaully answer you're question or not, it kinda confused me

[Droogie]

XstraightEDgeX, on Nov 7 2005, 04:22 PM, said:

okay, here's the question: to what is it totally irrelevant "whether your judgment is true or false"?

your mother.

[Gabriel Synthesis]

Droogie, on Nov 7 2005, 09:18 PM, said:

your mother.

DAMMIT, i was just about to use that one

[where_i'm_calling_from]

i think its interesting that the passage is worded in such a childishly simple way and yet none of you can have a serious guess at what the hell its talking about. or maybe you can but you'd rather talk about bradley's mother.

[Forgone Conclusion]

Was i not even SLIGHTLY close? Ah well, I didn't even do RS and GCSE

Also, if Bradley's mum is even half as buf as him, and even 1/8 as slutty, i'd MUCH rather talk about her

[Droogie]

i still stand by my answer, because "whether your judgment is true or false" is totally irrelevant to your mother.

[Forgone Conclusion]

It depends what the judgement is on, i'm sure she'd care on the outcome of my judgement whether or not to put rat poison in her dinner

[Gabriel Synthesis]

is whether your judgement is true or false totally irrelevant to the moral implications of the action you are judging?

[where_i'm_calling_from]

kind of. explain what you just said. its getting there i feel.

[Gabriel Synthesis]

whether we percieve something as morally wrong or not has absolutely no relevance to whether it actually is

[Droogie]

what is truth? we are all living in the matrix.

[Forgone Conclusion]

Yes, and the agents are after Ed coz of that dude causing him to have a sense of Deja vu, we know

[where_i'm_calling_from]

shut up, weirdo.

[Echoes]

it's often argued that there's no such thing as morality. there, enough of a cop out for you? frankly a lot of answers to that very poorly worded question are possible, 'me' and 'your mother' being just two. i'm not sure what the point of clouding the issue with such poor english is (i.e. pretending to be clever when the issue could acutally be presented in clear english, as rob has done pretty well so far)

so yeh. your answer depends on whether you believe morality to be something that's present in the world naturally, or is just a social construct, whereby morals have just evolved because it preserves the species (not killing each other, provoking fights, etc). My approach is that I see morals in action around me, does it matter whether they're fundamentally true or not? no - i only care about cause and effect since these are the only things that govern my life.

[Gabriel Synthesis]

what have i done pretty well so far? pretended to be clever or presented the point in clear english?

[Echoes]

presented the point - oh the irony of me complaining and later having to clarify my english!

[Forgone Conclusion]

I think you're argument about this topic shows alot about how you think. When I discussed it with Ed, i kept going down a more logical scientific route, based on evolution, etc, whereas he approached froma more theological angle. Needless to say, we didn't make much headway