[Forgone Conclusion]

one man's terrorist IS another mans' freedom fighter, (as with examples i'e given, an many others)./; I'm sure there is many a muslim who consider him a freedm fighter rather than a terrrorist.

ok, if we know someone has ifo fair enough,. but HOw can we eba bsoutlkey cetainn? (HINT - we can't)

[Droogie]

Forgone Conclusion, on Dec 8 2005, 11:16 PM, said:

one man's terrorist IS another mans' freedom fighter, (as with examples i'e given, an many others)./; I'm sure there is many a muslim who consider him a freedm fighter rather than a terrrorist.

ok, if we know someone has ifo fair enough,. but HOw can we eba bsoutlkey cetainn? (HINT - we can't)

if a man was caught by the police with dynamite around his waist in a place with large crowds? then i think we can "eba bsoutlkey cetainn".

[Forgone Conclusion]

I doubt it will ever be the case thatabyoe will be caugh twitth dynamite arouind their waste, and even then, it doesn't becessarily mean they know anything about other attcks, infact itprob means they will knwo less ABOUT IT

[paddys wink]

very fucking naive fc,you just play right into their hands,wake up these fuckers have bombs and they would just love to use them. just think the info extracted under torture might just stop your family getting blown apart. is it still wrong?

[viv]

You're still missing the blatently obvious point that if you're being tortured to hell and back you're going to give the information the torturer wants to hear REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT. Very fucking naive.

[hammerhead]

i think its bad idea to torture.

[paddys wink]

sorry viv i stand corrected NOT,what the torturer would want to hear is surely what he or she intended to find out,so if the info was false then the pliers come back out.i am not being naive but realistic the sftly,softly touch does not work with terrorism.bullets do

[viv]

paddys wink, on Dec 9 2005, 05:43 PM, said:

sorry viv i stand corrected NOT,what the torturer would want to hear is surely what he or she intended to find out,so if the info was false then the pliers come back out

Ahaha, how does that work then?

I falsely accuse you of being a terrorist. You deny it, since you're not a terrorist. I torture you until you tell me that you're a terrorist. You're a terrorist. Clever!

[paddys wink]

ihave no connection to any terrorists,ihve not ever tried to buy arms or explosives,ihave no religious beliefs
why would they come knocking at my door? they would not so i will not be tortured. whos fucking side are you on from where im standing its JONNY TERRORIST.as ive said b4 these loathsome creatures want YOU yes YOU and i do mean YOU DEAD

[where_i'm_calling_from]

ha ha ha ha...that guy they shot in that station wasn't a terrorist. but they shot him. not everyone they 'get' is a terrorist. so you saying you're not a terrorist means nothing. they still could think you are. and torture you until you admit it.

[Forgone Conclusion]

pw, it's a fairly simple point to understand...

In relation to that guy who got shot, I must admit I have alot of sympath for the police who did it, and not alot for him. What kind of idiot junps over a baqrrier at a station while carrying a rucksack a day or two after a huge terrorist bombing, and then refuses to stop when armed police point guns at im and tell him to stop? Think about what woiuld have hwappened if he HAD been a terrorist and they HADN'T shot him.....

[where_i'm_calling_from]

erm he didn't jump the barriers and run away...that was made up by the police. they literally followed him on to the train and shot him.

[misterj]

Every one has a breaking point under torture, and would likely admit to anything, eventualy. But, if you are asking your victim specific questions, like "where the fuck are all the explosives"? and the murdering bastard tells you, and sure enough, there they are in his lock up, then, you might have a clue, that he had something to do with certain bombings,and the torture has been helpfull.

[Forgone Conclusion]

Really? Well that's a bit fucking shit then

There's not guarantee that he knows anything though. Just because he was invloved in previous bombings, doesn't mean he'll know about future ones, and you'll be torturing somebody for nothing.

As a note, I think there was some ruling or another made today/yesterday by a few judges against torture, so basically read today's telegraph for a load of stuff about it

[where_i'm_calling_from]

no. summarise it for me you cunt. never presume to tell me how to get information again or i'll kill you.

[misterj]

Its a fact, that he knew where the explosives were, and they probably weren't for bonfire night, so it's likely that someone, was going to get bombed in the future.That imformation, gained by torture has IMO been worth a bit of pain, on someone, who has more than likely, killed more than his fair share of totaly innocent people.

[paddys wink]

Just because he was invloved in previous bombings, doesn't mean he'll know about future ones, and you'll be torturing somebody for nothing.
being involved in a previuos bombing seems enough to me to torture the bastard to a slow painful death. for fucks sake these are the sort of pacifist liberal student like,labour voting whinings that i have come to expect.

[Gabriel Synthesis]

what if someone is getting tortured, and asked who they are associated with

in their agony the first name that comes to their head is yours

this results in you being tortured, possibly endlessly as you don't have any real knowledge of the terrorist activities they are trying to find out, so to stop this happening you make something up

yeah torture's really a great method

[viv]

You're moronic, paddy. Give it up and move on.

[misterj]

The first name, that the guy being tortured, mentions, is me, the torturers check me out and find nothing of interest, and even under torture I can,t tell them fuck all. The torturers of today, are not meat heads, and torture, is just one, of many methods, of obtaining vital imformation.The people, that they are interogating are likely suspects,and not just any one they pick at random. We are talking about torture as a means of getting information, as opposed, to torture to terrorise your political opponents, or the population in general.