[Bobby Biohazard]

I for one believe he should have died for the crimes he commited.

[Forgone Conclusion]

I just can't believe that someone nominated for the nobel peace prize could be executed - it's crazy!

I think it also flies in the face of the whole idea of rehabilitation. Other criminals may see this example of a COMPLETE reformation, who still gets executed, and think 'why bother?'. It also seems that he's doing alot more good for society at the moment, and it would be 'worth' keeping him alive

However, tbh i dont really know too much about his crimes, though from wha i gather they were rather serious, so i can't really make a judgement

[misterj]

Tookie, murdered 4 people, in 2 seperate robberies in the late 70s. Also, he, and another guy, founded a notorious gang, which has spread to nearly all the states in America, and has been responsible, for over 1,000 deaths so far. It's his supporters, who say that he should get the Nobel peace prize, for writing books, and speaking out, against gang warfare, not anyone official. Should he have been executed? Perhaps you should ask, some of his victims relatives.

[Droogie]

if he was jailed in the 70s (just guessing here), 30 years is enough to change a man. can you imagine living in a cell for 30 years? you must do some serious thinking, a lot of people come out genuinely sorry for what they did. the legal system shouldnt aim to punish, but to ensure the best outcome for society. and it was obvious from what this guy was doing that he was no longer a threat to society.

you should be executed for rediculous overuse of commas.

[misterj]

People shouldn't be punished for murder, what the fuck are you on.I couldn't care a fuck how sorry he was. You obviously know little about the effect of prisons on criminals, its a well known fact that prison makes people WORSE. Now go and read some books and learn something, and stop posting such crap.
Does the under use of commas make you happier.

[Droogie]

yes, noone should be punished for murder. thats what i said.


you fail at life.

[where_i'm_calling_from]

its true that small sentences - 1, 3, 5 even 10 years - often just give the criminal the chance to become embittered against the system, and gives them a chance to learn from other criminals so they come out worse than when they went in.

however...a 30 year sentence? once you've been in jail 30 years you're going to be at least 50. you're probably going to have gotten over your resentment, you're pretty much too old to be a criminal, and you could well actually have reformed, purely out of the fact that there is nothing else to do when you're in prison that long.

[paddys wink]

after 30 years in prison there would be no resentment,fuck me i nearly fell off my chair.50 years old ,too old to be a criminal tell shipman



GIVE UP NOW

[misterj]

yes, noone should be punished for murder. thats what i said.


you fail at life.
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[where_i'm_calling_from]

he was saying he thought tookie reformed and thus shouldn't have been executed. the point of the system is meant to rehabilitate, not punish. thus, tookie's murder made no sense. he thus thought you were interpreting his comments wrongly, i.e. that you thought he meant that no-one should suffer consequences for their actions, when his point is that the punishment should have rehabilitation in mind, not merely punishing, and thus insulted you.

This post has been edited by xedx: 16 December 2005 - 09:18 PM

[misterj]

Rehabilitation is no use to someone whoes sentence is, life without parole,[or death in Tookies case]. The point of these sentences is both to punish, and also to protect the public. Why are you showing sympathy for a cold blooded murderer? If every convict who said how dreadfully sorry they were, was let out of prison, we'd have empty jails, and streets full of psychos.

[paddys wink]

misterj, on Dec 16 2005, 09:52 PM, said:

Rehabilitation is no use to someone whoes sentence is, life without parole,[or death in Tookies case]. The point of these sentences is both to punish, and also to protect the public. Why are you showing sympathy for a cold blooded murderer? If every convict who said how dreadfully sorry they were, was let out of prison, we'd have empty jails, and streets full of psychos.

and quite right too,just because he coldbloodedly killed 4 people (shooting one in the back twice) and founded one of the most notorious and bloody gangs in history,it doesnt mean he needs punishing.
lets rehabilitate him and once he has written a few kiddies books and proved to the thousands of murderous gang members that he sporned that they should lay down the uzis and ak47s which of course they will










ILL FUCKING TELL YOU WHAT,WHEN THE POISONS STARTED PUMPING THRU HIS VIENS THEN HE WAS JUST STARTING TO BE PROPERLY REHABILITATED



NICE ONE ARNIE "ESTA LA VISTA TOOKIE"

[Gabriel Synthesis]

you have issues

[paddys wink]

arnie at the press conference"he wont be back"

[Forgone Conclusion]

HAHAHHAA

[paddys wink]

Forgone Conclusion, on Dec 17 2005, 07:11 PM, said:

HAHAHHAA

yes i found it amusing also

[Adamski]

i think the point was not only was he sorry, he attempted to convince others not to get into a life of crime, so keeping him alive was justified. sparing him would mean life imprisonment anyway, not releasing him onto the streets.

bottom line is its cheaper to kill him than keep him, and besides, Arnie has his Terminator image to keep up.

[paddys wink]

adamski, on Dec 23 2005, 02:46 AM, said:

i think the point was not only was he sorry, he attempted to convince others not to get into a life of crime, so keeping him alive was justified. sparing him would mean life imprisonment anyway, not releasing him onto the streets.

bottom line is its cheaper to kill him than keep him, and besides, Arnie has his Terminator image to keep up.

bollocks,absolute bollocks

[paddys wink]

paddys wink, on Dec 16 2005, 10:14 PM, said:

misterj, on Dec 16 2005, 09:52 PM, said:

Rehabilitation is no use to someone whoes sentence is, life without parole,[or death in Tookies case]. The point of these sentences is both to punish, and also to protect the public. Why are you showing sympathy for a cold blooded murderer? If every convict who said how dreadfully sorry they were, was let out of prison, we'd have empty jails, and streets full of psychos.

and quite right too,just because he coldbloodedly killed 4 people (shooting one in the back twice) and founded one of the most notorious and bloody gangs in history,it doesnt mean he needs punishing.
lets rehabilitate him and once he has written a few kiddies books and proved to the thousands of murderous gang members that he sporned that they should lay down the uzis and ak47s which of course they will










ILL FUCKING TELL YOU WHAT,WHEN THE POISONS STARTED PUMPING THRU HIS VIENS THEN HE WAS JUST STARTING TO BE PROPERLY REHABILITATED



NICE ONE ARNIE "ESTA LA VISTA TOOKIE"

fantastic

[HolteEnder]

Haha.