[Echoes]

I was wondering, why do devout Christians think casual/non-reproductive sex is bad? It's a major paradox

If its point is to reproduce, as they believe, Intelligent Design would have us all shoot our load right away. But that's not the case - stamina is preferable. So for them, either we're not Intelligently Designed, or sex isn't just for reproduction, but for fun as well.

So why don't they believe God is also OK with us getting pleasure from it?

[where_i'm_calling_from]

i think a more profound question is: why do you hate christians?

[Dave. zzz....]

Some shoot their load straight away anyway.

Apparently.

[RainMaker]

And i will ask, why do people tar all christians with the same brush ?

[Forgone Conclusion]

I thought they found it fine as long as it was in wedlock...

[Echoes]

RainMaker, on Sep 16 2006, 10:02 AM, said:

And i will ask, why do people tar all christians with the same brush ?

hey, I said devout ones.

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i think a more profound question is: why do you hate christians?

well, not only is it less profound, but also untrue.

Not because 'hate is such a strong word' but because I dislike people following established dogma without thinking it through for themselves. That includes both organised religion but other extreme, fanatic ideologies as well, like communism, fascism, etc. But organised religion I find particularly bemusing because of the element of blind faith in a supernatural force.

Don't get me wrong, I plainly know Darwinism is established dogma, for example, but it's at least well-supported by the facts, and every time evidence of it not being totally correct - e.g. epigenetics - people aren't afraid to look at what they 'know' and work that new information into their picture of how the world works.

Back to the question - I take it from these answers that nobody has a clue?

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I thought they found it fine as long as it was in wedlock...

I don't know - does it not still have to be for reproduction (contraception being banned, etc)?

[Forgone Conclusion]

Not as far as I'm aware. I'm pretty sure it's ok as long as it's in wedlocke (though i think they still don't allow contraception - i'm not too sure)

[Gabriel Synthesis]

contraception is now legal in ireland

although abortions still aren't

[TheDissident]

I'd be concerned if it was the other way around; besides, if people are allowed to use contraceptive methods why should they get pregnant and want to kill their baby? If you're that lazy you might as well do a sterilization.

[The Phlegmy One!111]

I'm with Bradley on the whole think before you follow an organised religion thing. It is so illogical. There maybe a god, but there is no chance of any religion being remotely correct in their stories and children's fables.

[Echoes]

TheDissident, on Sep 17 2006, 12:41 PM, said:

I'd be concerned if it was the other way around; besides, if people are allowed to use contraceptive methods why should they get pregnant and want to kill their baby? If you're that lazy you might as well do a sterilization.

because sex can be recrational too; contraception enables that, by removing the potentially life-changing consequences of potential fertilisation. Why does the Church not want this happening?

the following text, taken from the wiki page on family planning, illustrates the benefits of family planning: The essence of family planning, then, is to make intercourse purely a means of expressing love, building stability in the relationship, and sharing physical pleasure, and not a means of reproducing

A child is a blessing, sure, but at the wrong stage of your life it could really cripple your personal development if you're not in a position to bring up a child. Not everyone wants to have to deal with the potential of that happening every time the get jiggy

[Gabriel Synthesis]

are you chirpsing a bible basher by any chance?

[Echoes]

no but this thread could come in handy if I ever do. TBH I'm not sure how long a relationship with a bibe basher could last, i think i'd get to the 'why are you so willing to believe in hocus pocus just because a priest tells you it's true?' part.

[viv]

only strict CATHOLICS are anti-contraception.

[where_i'm_calling_from]

and god. he is too.

[Gabriel Synthesis]

and any real man

contraception is for pussies (not the genital variety)

[The Phlegmy One!111]

You can say only strict Catholicas are anti-contraception, but really, any Catholic that follows their religion properly SHOULD be, but it's too inconvienient so they pick 'n' mix.

[Forgone Conclusion]

Oi, don't use my 'pick n mix' phrase. That's MY weapon for Christianity arguments

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[The Phlegmy One!111]

No.

[TheDissident]

The Aristocrat, on Sep 17 2006, 12:53 PM, said:

TheDissident, on Sep 17 2006, 12:41 PM, said:

I'd be concerned if it was the other way around; besides, if people are allowed to use contraceptive methods why should they get pregnant and want to kill their baby? If you're that lazy you might as well do a sterilization.

because sex can be recrational too; contraception enables that, by removing the potentially life-changing consequences of potential fertilisation. Why does the Church not want this happening?

the following text, taken from the wiki page on family planning, illustrates the benefits of family planning: The essence of family planning, then, is to make intercourse purely a means of expressing love, building stability in the relationship, and sharing physical pleasure, and not a means of reproducing

A child is a blessing, sure, but at the wrong stage of your life it could really cripple your personal development if you're not in a position to bring up a child. Not everyone wants to have to deal with the potential of that happening every time the get jiggy

Sure, I agree.

I'm a strong supporter of contraception, but I'm also against the complete legalization of abortion, that's why I was replying to The Robb's post.

I think one of the reasons for why the Church is against contraceptive methods is because they are trying to fight AIDS as they fought other sexually transmittable deceases in the past, and that is by imposing rules regarding sex on its followers. I think they are honestly taking this position with good will, not that I agree with it though.