[FloweryDeath]

Just wondering what people believe, i'm a very strong athiest.

Okies, since nobody has voted you either are completely uninterested in the topic of religion or you dont know what the words mean;
Athiest- Doesn't believe in God
Thiest- Does believe in God
Agnostic- Doesn't know what he/she believes

[Echoes]

actually, agnostic is more than that: One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.

That's me. If the existence of God has never been proved, that doesn't mean there isn't one. I refuse to just believe that there is no God - that's as irrational as believing there is one.

[FloweryDeath]

Didn't know that, i do agree with you but it doesnt change what i believe, it may have never been proved that there is no god, but i refuse to be guided/lead/controlled or whatever by an existance that i dont trust.

[Echoes]

well, so do i - the difference is, i don't 'believe' in faith (haha, get the pun?) - and that includes faith that God doesn't exist.

[Gabriel Synthesis]

call me a cynic but it could be argued that you're too lazy to believe in god but you're too scared not too

[FloweryDeath]

Maybe you only believe in god because you are so scared of nothing being there when you die..

that was for anybody who does believe in god

merged and deleted o/t crap for you... because we are a moderating team who care

[sexual_harassment_panda]

It's impossible to know (I think) so although it may seem like I'm sitting on the fence by being agnostic, it couldn't join a religion because I wouldn't truly believe it...however, I can't be an outright atheist either...

Maybe its my *scientific* mind - but I like to have physical evidence for something before I believe it...

[Adamski]

bradley, on May 11 2005, 09:31 PM, said:

the difference is, i don't 'believe' in faith

ah, but do you believe in life after love?

i can feel something inside me saying "I really don't think you're strong enough, no"

anyway i'm atheist depsite a reasonably xtian upbringing. i just think scientific fact is too strong these days. the bible is obviously hugely metaphorical but i think its primary purpose was to control huge numbers of people who were likely to kick off than act as an actual creed for its authors.

[Forgone Conclusion]

I'm an agnostic, but lean towards atheism, as i think most agnostics do.

I'd like to believe in god, i REALLY do, but i don't.

[The Phlegmy One!111]

Bradley, do you believe in pink unicorns with penises coming out of their foreheads in the nearest solar system? I'm assuming not. So to that, you have no problem saying you don't believe, but to god you do have a problem saying you don't believe? Does that mean that you are on the fence for absolutely everyhting until it is proven right or wrong? And even if it's proven wrong, you should carry on believing it because soemthign might be found that could prove the proof wrong. Wow, so basically, you are on the fence for absolutely everyhting. I can't put what I mean into words, but re-read it if you don't get it or something.

[Forgone Conclusion]

That's a completely stupid point. I can't speak for him, but I can say for myself, i can 'sit on fence' over god because it's not so much of a ludicrous suggestion, and would go a long way to explaining a helluva lot, while the pink unicorn is just stupid, you can't compare the two.

It also can't mean you are 'in the fence for everything' It's just that you may choose not to belive in this particular thing, some thnigs that aren't completely proved (eg the Big Bang) are more plausable, so one chooses to believe, while others (eg the pink unicorn) are less plausable, so u choose not to believe. while some are halfway, in this case the question of god, so u remain undecided, possible leaning one way or the other as i do

[TheDissident]

bradley, on May 11 2005, 09:21 PM, said:

actually, agnostic is more than that: One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.

That's me. If the existence of God has never been proved, that doesn't mean there isn't one. I refuse to just believe that there is no God - that's as irrational as believing there is one.

Nothing to add, I completely agree.

[The Phlegmy One!111]

Curtis, if you ever learn to read let me know. Of course you won't understand what I'm typing till that day comes. Why I say this is because Bradley said that unless you can prove or deisprove god, he'll be on the fence. He didn't mention 'more likely' or 'less likely' things. And also, an all-powerful God existing would lead to so many hideous paradoxes that could not exist., so really it's not that great of a idea...

Also what's stupid about the pink unicorn? It wouldn't conflict with the facts of the world as much as god would.

[sexual_harassment_panda]

Pink unicorns with penises coming out of their foreheads? Now that'd be worth seeing...

[Droogie]

surely you can believe that there is no god, while still believing that you cant prove or disprove it. the two are mutually exclusive.

i believe there is no god, but that doesnt stop me from knowing that i cant prove it. im an atheist.

[Echoes]

Doggydoo, yes, I'm on the fence, because you believe in something you can't prove, which i think is stupid. Not believing in God is good enough for me, and I laugh at people that do, but I'm not going to have the temerity/idiocy to say he doesn't exist - since it's not something that is necessarily true.

I find very amusing the hypocrisy of atheists attacking godbelievers because of their use of blind belief and faith in something they can't even prove exists - do you see why that's hypocritical?

[Adamski]

doggydoo, on May 12 2005, 09:12 PM, said:

do you believe in pink unicorns with penises coming out of their foreheads in the nearest solar system? I'm assuming not.

how dare you doubt the existence of the legendary Dildocerous? i have photographic proof...

[Droogie]

bradley, on May 13 2005, 09:15 AM, said:

Doggydoo, yes, I'm on the fence, because you believe in something you can't prove, which i think is stupid.

dude... surely uve got it wrong there.
even if you cant prove something, you can still BELIEVE in it because thats what you think. it would only be stupid if you believe something that was proved wrong. BELIEVING is just thinking something that cant necessarily be proved.

the fact that you cant prove it doesnt matter... do you believe that there is a god or not? because thats all that matters.

[Echoes]

no. Belief means an unproven assumption, and i prefer to do as little of that as I can. Hence agnosticism > atheism.

Assumptions can often prove true, sure - for example I consider it very likely that God doesn't exist. Hence in my opinion atheism > theism, and in debates I will always defend the atheist p.o.v

[Purple Haze]

I'm prepared to make that little jump in belief and say I'm atheist: God doesn't exist, until someone proves otherwise