[misterj]

Does not being able to see, hear, or touch, something, or to be unaware of something mean that it doesn't exist. Science deals in the main with the material world, and just because someone chooses to believe there might be other things going on, beyond our tiny speck of dust planet, doesn't mean they're a "fucking idiot". As far as I'm concerned It's all the man made trappings of so called religions that are the problem,especialy the newer ones like scientology,where the guy who invented it is on record as saying "the quickest way to make a million dollars is to invent your own religion",and the dim wits are flocking to join him. Because you can pick holes in the text books of most religions ,doesen't mean there isn't a God, whatever He, She, or It, may, or may not, be. Also, IF there is a "God" it will be the same God for all religions,I won't put up with any of this, our God is better than your God crap. Please excuse the rrambling tone of this post.

[The Phlegmy One!111]

How come "liberalists" only came into existance when some of the stupid unscientific things in the Bible were disproved beyond any doubt? I'm talking about flat earth, age of earth, evolution, etc (the last two of which there are morons on this planet who continue to refute).

[Helen SD]

misterj, on Jun 30 2005, 10:47 PM, said:

Does not being able to see, hear, or touch, something, or to be unaware of something mean that it doesn't exist. Science deals in the main with the material world, and just because someone chooses to believe there might be other things going on, beyond our tiny speck of dust planet, doesn't mean they're a "fucking idiot".

Science deals with the material yes... not just physical atoms an molecules, but energy, waves, particles so tiny they just float through everything unaffected.. and even particles that only exist for the tiniest amount of time before they are annihilated. If there was any 'higher being' affecting us externally.. scientists would know about it. Things just dont happen without a cause... its all down to the transfer of energy. Therefore... if there is anything happening out there that we dont know about, the chances are its so tiny, or so distant, it cant affect us.

So the physical existance of god is pretty unlikely really!

There is however the idea that 'god' exists only in the mind of beleivers, but that wouldnt explain the power than all religions claim ther god has. Theres only so much of an effect that internal thoughts can cause... no-body knows how much, but they certainly cant create the universe!

[Gabriel Synthesis]

helen can i have some of whatever you've been smoking please

why would scientists know about a higher being?

and also why does God have to be a physical being? just because you can't understand something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist

[Helen SD]

if god isnt physical, but hes more than just thoughts, how could he exist?

what then, is existance?

What im saying.. is that for anything to have an effect on human life there must be a transfer of energy. Where is this energy?

[Gabriel Synthesis]

are you saying that just because we cannot perceive things they can't exist?

[misterj]

If something was out there scientists would know about it?They have only recently discovered black holes, star and planet swallowing vortexses on a collossal scale.Where the fuck were they hiding, from the all seeing, all knowing, scientists.Come on Helen, wake up and get real.

[Helen SD]

theres alot out there that hasnt been discovered yes.. but they dont have an obvious effect on human life.

and im not saying anything.. im asking you how god can exist? christians must have some idea of how they perceive god..

[vision]

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How come "liberalists" only came into existance when some of the stupid unscientific things in the Bible were disproved beyond any doubt? I'm talking about flat earth, age of earth, evolution, etc (the last two of which there are morons on this planet who continue to refute).

i dont know when liberalists came into existence,and im impressed you do. can you tell me when they did exactly?

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theres alot out there that hasnt been discovered yes.. but they dont have an obvious effect on human life.

and im not saying anything.. im asking you how god can exist? christians must have some idea of how they perceive god..

Christians believe that God exists outside of time and space, and therefore nothing he does has to work by the laws we have found govern our universe.

[FloweryDeath]

Is it me or is this thread just a huge waste of time? Yes, i know i started it.. but i'm wishing i hadn't now. Anyway, basically we could dibate and discuss this for the rest of our lives and never be satisfied with what we come up with, nobody has the answers.

[The Phlegmy One!111]

vision, on Jul 2 2005, 10:02 AM, said:

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How come "liberalists" only came into existance when some of the stupid unscientific things in the Bible were disproved beyond any doubt? I'm talking about flat earth, age of earth, evolution, etc (the last two of which there are morons on this planet who continue to refute).

i dont know when liberalists came into existence,and im impressed you do. can you tell me when they did exactly?

Sorry Princess, I don't have an exact date for you. But it's common sense that the number of them increase after each BS in the Bible is proved wrong.

Also on that note, I fucking HATE Kanye West and wish he'd die.

This post has been edited by doggydoo: 02 July 2005 - 10:56 PM

[Lord Love Rocket]

FloweryDeath, on Jul 2 2005, 04:10 PM, said:

Is it me or is this thread just a huge waste of time? Yes, i know i started it.. but i'm wishing i hadn't now. Anyway, basically we could dibate and discuss this for the rest of our lives and never be satisfied with what we come up with, nobody has the answers.

Did you really think the answers to all arguements over religion would be found on this website? Man has argued for thousands of year over it i mean just look at jerusalem and all that malarkey round there. Its all just a big mess. Probably will never be sorted.

[FloweryDeath]

Thats the point i was trying to make. I didn't start this thread to find the answers, i was just wondering who believed in god thats what the poll was all about.