[misterj]

Jen was asking about the GREATEST rock albums, and not which albums we like, just because an album was made before 1990 doesn't meen its boring. The general consensus though, is that a lot of older albums, are better than latter day ones. Popularity, of course, comes into it as well, if 1,000000 people buy an album and think its great, then the likelyhood is that its better than an album that sells 100 copies and only you think is any good.

[Helen SD]

that list had nothing to do with what jen was asking for.

[The Phlegmy One!111]

rakibitlou, on Jul 10 2005, 03:58 AM, said:

you always seem to go on about how popularity=/=good etc but thats only to you, because your musical taste is quite distinct. mine is also quite distinct but that doesnt stop me from being able to accept that some bands that may not be to my taste are "better" than some of the bands i like.

this list is clearly made to guide those who are inexperienced in rock and need a place to start. theyre not gona start by listening to tool or opeth or dream theater or angra, but like most people they'll probably start out in popular bands like led zep and deep purple and nirvana and gradually focus in narrower sub-genres as their musical taste develops. finding out other bands that fans of your favourite bands listen to and finding out theyre better is how most people eventually arrive at their favourite bands, isnt it?

i sure as hell didnt know dream theater 3 years ago. in fact i may not even be into metal if i didnt hear run to the hills and for whom the bell tolls on a rock compilation album.


edit: this was posted by tommy.

What's your point? I can't remember, but I don't think the list was asking for which bands to start first on, but greatest, which no matter what you say I believe is subjective.

misterj, on Jul 10 2005, 08:57 PM, said:

Jen was asking about the GREATEST rock albums, and not which albums we like, just because an album was made before 1990 doesn't meen its boring. The general consensus though, is that a lot of older albums, are better than latter day ones. Popularity, of course, comes into it as well, if 1,000000 people buy an album and think its great, then the likelyhood is that its better than an album that sells 100 copies and only you think is any good.

No the likelyhood is not that it's 'better' than a unpopular one. My favourite bands are hardly unknown and I'm sure more or less all serious hard-rock/metal fans know them, but popularity and being good only comes into it when you go really unpopular and compare like Kreator to your crappy local ska band. But when it's Britney SPears who has probably outsold Kreator a few million fold, you can see your popularity arguement falls and dies like a bitch.

[Echoes]

zeb, on Jul 9 2005, 11:59 AM, said:

The Woods - Sleater Kinney

i'm listening to that at the moment and have to say, I'm v. impressed

[Gabriel Synthesis]

to me the greatest rock albums are the ones which have survived the "test of time"

this will mean that they are older rock and will also mean that they are popular albums and i know how this upsets the rebellious oh-i'm-so-hardcore-and-individual people around here but sometimes you just gotta accept that sometimes many people like the same thing for a reason

[rakibitlou]

yeh and dont bring up the britney spears argument EVERY SINGLE TIME we talk about popularity because we're not talking about schoolgirls, we're talking about respectable adults who can think for themselves and make their own choices in music. we can cast pop music and its fans aside, leaving people whose choices CAN be respected.

[H.A.G]

Stone Temple Pilots- Purple

Beck- Mellow Gold, Odelay

Pantera- Cowboys From Hell

White Zombie- La Sexorcisto

[misterj]

Let's not get off the track, Jen was asking about the GREATEST rock albums, and over the years, certain albums have been aclaimed by the most knowlegable people in the rock music world, as being worthy of the title, GREAT. Most, if not all, lists of of greatest rock albums, tend to contain very much the same albums, so who are you or I to say that they are all wrong? Even if we think some of these choises are shit, this is what Jen is after, and not, whatever your favorite, Experimental, Nazi Gay Death Thrash Sludge Metal, album may be. OK?

[timhulio]

Where can I buy this Experimental, Nazi Gay Death Thrash Sludge Metal record you speak of? I'm intrigued.

[misterj]

Supprisingly, it doesn't actualy exist, but I use it to sum up the various types of obscure music, that certain people would have us believe, are contained, in what they mistakenly think, are all time great albums. Although most of us have heard this stuff, and dismissed it as not very good,they still persist in championing it, as the greatest of all time. Sad eh?

[Eh! Steve]

I've just seen that jen has finished her list, and I reckon that for a CD seller it's pretty much spot on - it's not something that you would go to for anything particularly unusual but for someone who is trying to get the rock classics under their belt they could look in far worse places. I was particularly impressed at the inclusion of 2 manics albums

[timhulio]

misterj, on Jul 28 2005, 09:50 PM, said:

Supprisingly, it doesn't actualy exist, but I use it to sum up the various types of obscure music, that certain people would have us believe, are contained, in what they mistakenly think, are all time great albums. Although most of us have heard this stuff, and dismissed it as not very good,they still persist in championing it, as the greatest of all time. Sad eh?

Yes but not everyone can be a Britney Spears fan. I think you'll find the path less travelled is far more interesting.

[Droogie]

this list is going to be used mainly for 2 purposes: people looking at it out of interest, and people looking what cds to buy. for the latter purpose, it doesnt matter if the best albums are the same as any other list because the reader will know which albums are the best anyway, but they will mainly look further down the list to discover artists that are less well known but are still good. if they had no idea about rock whatsoever and didnt like rock then they probably wont be reading it, and if they did like rock a bit and wanted to find more artists then its likely they'd know the artists/albums at the top of the list.

[Jeff\/Murphy]

timhulio, on Jul 8 2005, 06:56 AM, said:

I'd avoid having multiple records by the same band. That gets boring pretty quickly and displays a severe lack of record collection.
Skip the novelty acts (The Darkness) and the shallow and superficial (Lostprophets, Razorlight, Muse). Unplugged albums do not rock, bin them too.
Having horrible whinger Alanis Morrisette as your token girl is terrible- where's Patti Smith, Sleater Kinney, Electrelane, Bikini Kill in your list? No-one likes best-of comps either :-)
Some additions you might like to consider:

Husker Du - Zen Arcade
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
Sleater Kinney - The Hot Rock
Big Star - Sister Lovers
The Replacements - Let it Be
Neil Young - After the Gold Rush
Butthole Surfers - Locust Abortion Technician
Pretty Girls Make Graves - Good Health
Shellac - 1000 Hurts

I agree with him.. there all nice bands and the best:)

[Forgone Conclusion]

But the whole point of the topic was surely to find the greatest, meaning the classically great ones, not the obscure ones, whether you rate them higher or not

[Cygnus]

zombie-eaters, on Jul 9 2005, 11:45 AM, said:

Well any of the Iron Maiden Ones
but not the newest one iv heard thats shit

Dance Of Death may not be their greatest album but it's certainly not shit...why not just listen to it yourself instead of going by 'what you heard'?...you may be quite surprised.

This post has been edited by Cygnus: 30 July 2005 - 06:59 PM

[misterj]

Forgone Conclusion, your wisdom is beyond doubt.